Comments on: Democracy and anarchism http://fortruth.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/democracy-and-anarchism/ Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:10:36 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: K. M. http://fortruth.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/democracy-and-anarchism/#comment-1651 K. M. Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:09:43 +0000 http://fortruth.wordpress.com/?p=417#comment-1651 All of what you wrote is quie true. And yet, the evil has no strength of its own. If we believe we know what is good and what is not, we must also believe that what is good must prevail. All of what you wrote is quie true. And yet, the evil has no strength of its own. If we believe we know what is good and what is not, we must also believe that what is good must prevail.

]]> By: Hans http://fortruth.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/democracy-and-anarchism/#comment-1649 Hans Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:32:07 +0000 http://fortruth.wordpress.com/?p=417#comment-1649 "The problem is that they are misguided..." and the mis-leaders are selling bread and circuses for votes. For this reason, among others, I have developed a great distaste for democracy. To acquire the "sound philosophy" of which you speak requires much more than activism and good intention. Pre-requisites to a sound philosophy are independence of spirit, a desire to observe and evaluate both behaviors and facts, and the integrity to accept responsibility for ones' situation and actions. "But surely it is possible"... yes, but consider the probability of a critical mass of voters equiped with these attributes given a century of public education. Best Regards - “The problem is that they are misguided…” and the mis-leaders are selling bread and circuses for votes.

For this reason, among others, I have developed a great distaste for democracy.

To acquire the “sound philosophy” of which you speak requires much more than activism and good intention.

Pre-requisites to a sound philosophy are independence of spirit, a desire to observe and evaluate both behaviors and facts, and the integrity to accept responsibility for ones’ situation and actions.

“But surely it is possible”… yes, but consider the probability of a critical mass of voters equiped with these attributes given a century of public education.

Best Regards -

]]> By: K. M. http://fortruth.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/democracy-and-anarchism/#comment-1646 K. M. Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:55:37 +0000 http://fortruth.wordpress.com/?p=417#comment-1646 "<i>requires sustained attention and energy from and among the participants</i>" Yes, sustaining a civil society requires effort and participation. "<i>Folks who are capable of such behavior are scarce in any age</i>" I will concede that - but only partially. There are plenty of activists today - men who attempt to create a better world. The problem is that they are misguided and so their efforts achieve the opposite of their intentions. With a sound philosophy, it should be possible to perfect what the Declaration of Independence achieved. Doing so will require effort and patience. But surely it is possible. “requires sustained attention and energy from and among the participants”
Yes, sustaining a civil society requires effort and participation.
“Folks who are capable of such behavior are scarce in any age”
I will concede that – but only partially. There are plenty of activists today – men who attempt to create a better world. The problem is that they are misguided and so their efforts achieve the opposite of their intentions. With a sound philosophy, it should be possible to perfect what the Declaration of Independence achieved. Doing so will require effort and patience. But surely it is possible.

]]> By: Hans http://fortruth.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/democracy-and-anarchism/#comment-1641 Hans Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:03:57 +0000 http://fortruth.wordpress.com/?p=417#comment-1641 Correction of typo: (1) Do not encroach on others or their property Correction of typo: (1) Do not encroach on others or their property

]]> By: Hans http://fortruth.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/democracy-and-anarchism/#comment-1640 Hans Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:02:19 +0000 http://fortruth.wordpress.com/?p=417#comment-1640 I accept your definition: "The state in a modern democracy is an ever-changing group of men who enforce certain ever-changing rules of social conduct in a given geographical area."... And I agree that the cooperation of agencies in anarchy is an undesirable end point as you infer: "then they are remarkably similar to a modern democracy". So what, then, of "principle"? Sets of ideas embraced and sustained as both necessary and sufficient to enable civil people to interact with minimal friction? Liberty appears to require certain conditions and behaviors found not at points of stability, relative minima, along the graph of societal structures. To sustain the "Ideal Laws for Civil Society: (1) Do not encroach on others of their property; (2) Do all that you agreed to do" (source ?) requires sustained attention and energy from and among the participants. Folks who are capable of such behavior are scarce in any age, and I do not hold much hope that the great experiment begun with the Declaration 233 years ago will survive much longer. Democracy had irreparably damaged and will destroy the Republic. I accept your definition: “The state in a modern democracy is an ever-changing group of men who enforce certain ever-changing rules of social conduct in a given geographical area.”…

And I agree that the cooperation of agencies in anarchy is an undesirable end point as you infer: “then they are remarkably similar to a modern democracy”.

So what, then, of “principle”? Sets of ideas embraced and sustained as both necessary and sufficient to enable civil people to interact with minimal friction?

Liberty appears to require certain conditions and behaviors found not at points of stability, relative minima, along the graph of societal structures.

To sustain the “Ideal Laws for Civil Society: (1) Do not encroach on others of their property; (2) Do all that you agreed to do” (source ?) requires sustained attention and energy from and among the participants.

Folks who are capable of such behavior are scarce in any age, and I do not hold much hope that the great experiment begun with the Declaration 233 years ago will survive much longer.

Democracy had irreparably damaged and will destroy the Republic.

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